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<i>The plot thickens this morning,</i>

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<i>with US officials
telling ABC News</i>

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<i>that Russian President Putin
was directly involved</i>

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<i>in the hacking of the Democratic
National Committee.</i>

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<i>We have said repeatedly
over the last two months</i>

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<i>that our source
is not the Russian government.</i>

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<i>Vladimir Putin himself directed
the covert cyberattacks.</i>

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<i>- Do you respect Putin?
- I do respect him.</i>

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<i>Do you? Why? Putin's a killer.</i>

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<i>There are a lot of killers. What, you
think our country's so innocent?</i>

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- Hello.
- How are you?

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Mr. President.
Nice to see you again.

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I thought maybe
you could sit over there?

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- Okay.
- And I'll sit here, and we'll see.

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Play it by ear a little bit.

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And we'll improvise.

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No rules about this one.

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Yes!

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For over 40 years,
the United States led the West

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in the struggle
against Communism

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<i>and the threat it posed
to our most precious values.</i>

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<i>This struggle shaped the lives
of all Americans.</i>

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It forced all nations to live

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<i>under the specter
of nuclear destruction.</i>

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That confrontation is now over.

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I think a lot of Western people
don't know much about you.

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We'd like to know
about your background,

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and where you came from.

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I know that you were born
in October 1952,

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after the war,

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that your mother
was a factory worker,

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<i>and your father
had been in the war.</i>

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And I know that you lived
in a collective apartment

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with other families
as you grew up.

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Doing what exactly?

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He was wounded
in the war, though?

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I heard he had a bit of
juvenile delinquency problems.

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He was a bit of a wild child

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<i>until he studied judo
at the age of 12.</i>

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You, uh, graduated
from, uh, high school

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and I believe you went
directly to law school.

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That's the Russian system?

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And met your first wife there?

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You last wife.
I mean, your only wife.

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And then you joined the KGB
right away in '75?

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1975. Yeah, you joined,
in Leningrad.

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Oh, you were s...
You had no choice?

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<i>And you had romanticized
of course this...</i>

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<i>There's the Soviet films
about the KGB and intelligence.</i>

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You went to Dresden
in 1985 through 1990.

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But the first 10 years, uh,
you were mostly in Leningrad.

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<i>East Germany in 1985 to
'90 was pretty dismal.</i>

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It was a strange time.

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Did you go back to Moscow?
Did you experience perestroika?

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But these are Gorbachev's ideas,

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so you were influenced
by Gorbachev.

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<i>The Soviet Union collapsed</i>

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<i>and the Russian Federation
was formed with Yeltsin.</i>

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Yeah.

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<i>Yeah.</i>

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You moved to Moscow in 1996.

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And you became the head of the Federal
Security Bureau for 13 months.

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So, in that role, you must have
seen what a mess this was.

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I gather, there was
a nightmare of chaos.

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<i>In October 1993, Russia was
on the brink of civil war...</i>

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<i>With parliament deputies
on one side</i>

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<i>and Boris Yeltsin
and his supporters on the other.</i>

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<i>Yeltsin, who controlled
tank divisions,</i>

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<i>would give the order to fire
directly at the parliament building</i>

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<i>with shells pounding the offices
of the Supreme Soviet chairman</i>

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<i>and the vice president
who sided with the deputies.</i>

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<i>Two days of street fighting
left hundreds dead and injured.</i>

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The United States continues to stand
firm in its support of President Yeltsin

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because he is Russia's
democratically elected leader.

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And in 1999, you worked your way
up to acting prime minister.

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And Yeltsin resigned in 2000.

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<i>Just looking at, uh, press
conferences and film of Mr. Yeltsin,</i>

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<i>it was clearly, uh,
alcohol, uh, disease.</i>

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<i>His brain seemed to be...</i>

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<i>The way he spoke, and the way he...
he stared at the camera,</i>

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<i>the way he moved,
he looked like he was catatonic.</i>

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So, here you are,

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many prime ministers
come and go,

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and all of a sudden,

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wow, you're
the acting prime minister.

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Now what?

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You refused? Why is that?

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Change his life, in what way?

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I mean, he's already been
a bureaucrat

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in the government
for a long time.

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Oh, really?

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What would you do?

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Yeah, but did you see his...

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<i>Did he see his children during
this period and his wife?</i>

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And, uh, did you wake up at four in the morning?
Did you ever sleep?

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Really?

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No nightmares?

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This is a discipline from the from
military, from your KGB experience?

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<i>Your theory of life, they say is
summed up in the philosophy of judo?</i>

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Not too complicated.

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You have a lot
of discipline, sir.

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<i>Okay. Well, then,
we're in 2000 now.</i>

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<i>You've become president.
The vote was 53 percent.</i>

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<i>You're not expected to last.</i>

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You're president of a country
which is in a dark time.

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Chechenya War is going on,
it looks very bad.

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One side says that it is
fighting against terrorism,

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<i>the other side says it is
fighting for independence.</i>

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<i>And all the while, bodies line the
street amid the rubble of war.</i>

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<i>This is not the Middle East.</i>

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This is the break-way
Russian Republic of Chechnya,

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little mentioned,
but no less horrifying.

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You're credited with, uh, doing many
fine things in your first term.

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<i>You built up industries,</i>

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<i>electronics, engineering,
petrochemical, agriculture.</i>

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You raised the GDP,
you raised the income.

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You reformed the army.

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The privatization was stopped.

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A real son of Russia.

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The oligarchs took...
Underestimated him.

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And when he became president,
they didn't think he would last.

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He cut the poverty rate
by two-thirds.

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Respect for the old people,
pensions.

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In 2000, 700 rubles
was the average income,

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in 2012, 29,000 rubles.

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<i>Immensely popular in 2004,</i>

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<i>he's reelected
with 70 percent of the vote.</i>

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<i>And 2008, because, uh,
two terms are only allowed,</i>

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you become the prime minister.

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Well, you worked hard when
you were prime minister too.

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And in 2012,
you run for president,

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and you win by 63 percent?

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Yeah, you're right.

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Three times president. Five
assassination attempts, I'm told.

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Not as much as Castro,
who I've interviewed.

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I think he must've had 50,

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but, uh, there's a legitimate
five I've heard about.

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<i>In other words,
you trust your security,</i>

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<i>and they've done a great job.</i>

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<i>Because, always,
the first mode of assassination,</i>

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you try to get inside the security of the...
of the president.

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What is your fate, sir?

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Have you... Do you know?

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To die in bed, maybe.

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You've had a tough day.

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It's been a while.
Nice to see you.

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I think, uh, last June
was the, uh...

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was the last time I saw you.

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You miss me?

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I'm sure you cried
about other things.

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Uh, excuse me,
I just feel asleep upstairs.

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Uh, I caught up on my jet lag.

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How was your day?

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Holy cow! Well, you didn't have
a cabinet meeting then, did you?

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There was... I'm told there was

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a national security council
kind of meeting?

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I see. A crisis or anything?

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Well, I'm just asking,
'cause I'm curious,

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'cause we're normally scheduled
at 3:00 p. m.,

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and it's six hours
and forty minutes later.

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No, but I'm saying
there's always...

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There are crises that come up?

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There are things
that aren't scheduled?

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Uh, that goes
to my bigger question,

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'cause my producer
who's here, Fernando,

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we were talking
about you earlier,

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and he said,
you are an excellent CEO,

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uh, Chief Executive Officer
of a company...

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Russia is your company.

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You kick the tires,
you deal with these problems,

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and you try to solve them
on the spot.

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Let's say the problem is this,
and you go into the detail here,

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and the detail sometimes gets
smaller, and you do a micro-detail,

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and the micro-detail has another
micro-detail, and before you know it,

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you've lost the forest
for the trees, as they say.

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That can be very irritating. You
could probably go to bed at night,

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not having solved some of these things,
and it really drives you nuts.

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He says he needs
to complete something?

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Which bring us to the...
A large problem,

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which is he's been doing this
as a president, prime minister,

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and now president again,
for 15 years.

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I'm sure he knows
the story of Ronald Reagan,

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one of the most admired presidents...
by conservatives... in my country.

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<i>He was famous
for sticking to his schedule,</i>

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<i>which required him,
on most nights, to come home,</i>

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<i>in the White House
by six o'clock,</i>

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<i>and have an early supper
and watch TV with his wife.</i>

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That is my point,
is that he was a smiley man.

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<i>He was a great greeter
and meeter.</i>

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<i>He was very happy
eating jelly beans</i>

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<i>and telling a good joke.</i>

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Though Reagan was a big believer
in delegating authority,

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<i>to everyone around him.</i>

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I'm just trying to make
that example because...

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it's another way of living.

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Well, it seems to me,
you're doing it the hard way.

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Well, Reagan would disagree.

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He would say
the country America was broke,

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<i>and that it needed to be fixed,</i>

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<i>and it was morning
in America again,</i>

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and it was his job to bring
in positive energy to America.

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And he did a pretty good job
of making that feeling.

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<i>It's a feeling.
It's an illusion.</i>

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Well, uh, actually,
some people would argue

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that Reagan made America
more broke

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because the debt
grew enormously.

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I forgot.

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Russia's one, right?

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Eighteen trillion, US?

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And about one trillion, Russia.

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The food prices went up
20 percent in 2015,

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and, uh, inflation
was running at 13 percent.

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12.9 percent to be more precise.
Okay. Okay.

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What is the Russian
Central Bank about?

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What is that doing?

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I thought you had
nothing outstanding.

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You had no debts
to the IMF, I'm told.

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Aah, you know, you still talk as if
the IMF is a partner of Russia's.

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You act as if Wall Street
wants Russia to succeed,

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and I question that.

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And I would ask you,

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is Wall Street actively working
to destroy the Russian economy,

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in the interest
of the United States?

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That is the throne of the tzar

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and the throne for the tzarina...
Yeah.

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And also for the dowager empress.
Yeah.

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You know, they say
that you want to be tzar.

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This is, uh, you know,
that you're the new tzar.

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They put magazine covers
out there...

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You laugh, right?

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<i>Yeah.</i>

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But you allowed, uh,
Charlie Rose to make a point

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when he said,
you have all the power,

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<i>you can do what you want.</i>

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<i>He made that very clear,
and then...</i>

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Because that's the way
many Americans think,

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that there's no system here.

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And, uh, you didn't correct him.

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You, you...

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Excuse, excuse me.

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Well, then you should
shoot the interpreter too...

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That's why we say that.

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Was it you? Yeah...

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I don't think he understood the
question that Rose was leading him to.

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I mean, in other words, in English,
it sounded like he wants the tzar,

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and he took it for granted
that he was tzar.

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Some have called you a tzar.

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So what? You know,
people call me different names.

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Well, does the name fit?

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Do you ever lose it?

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He says, you're so irrational

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every time you're
asked a question,

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do you ever like have a day,
like a bad day? And...

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Is that right?

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There you go.
Now you're going to insult

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50 percent
of the American public.

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The way they're gonna take it.

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I know.

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So a woman to you is a...
Tends to be more emotional?

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You don't want to have your emotions
ever cut in and control your reasoning?

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<i>- Question to, uh,
- President Bush.</i>

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Is this a man
that Americans can trust?

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Uh, I'll answer the question.

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I looked the man in the eye.

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I found him to be very
straightforward and trustworthy.

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Now, we had
a very good dialogue.

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I was able to, uh...
get a sense of his soul.

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<i>What did you sense
when he was saying that?</i>

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And on 9/11,
you were one of the...

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You were one
of the first to call him

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and offer him condolences
and cooperation.

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When President Bush,
invaded Afghanistan, uh,

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President Putin cooperated
with the, uh, invasion

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<i>and set up bases
in the Caucasus and Eurasia,</i>

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in order for the Americans
to supply line Afghanistan.

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And continued to do so
until recently.

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<i>Russia has
a long history in Afghanistan.</i>

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So how come you guys did not
figure out where Bin Laden was,

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and what was really happening
with Bin Laden?

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Not just where he was, but...

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how weak the Al Qaeda base was
at this point in Afghanistan.

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Bill Casey, director of the CIA
under Ronald Reagan,

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<i>made it a special effort</i>

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<i>to excite the Muslims</i>

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<i>in the Caucasus in Central Asia
against the Soviet Union.</i>

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<i>His plan was bigger than just to defeat
the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.</i>

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His plan was basically regime
change in the Soviet Union.

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<i>In his mind, what was the most
dangerous moment in the Chechen Wars?</i>

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<i>The first one,
the second one? What years?</i>

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<i>The US support was covert.</i>

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<i>You say you have evidence that
they were supporting the Chechens.</i>

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<i>I think the administration has
adopted a hands-off attitude,</i>

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<i>repeating like a mantra that this
is an internal Russian affair,</i>

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which in effect legitimated
the Russian action.

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And then on top of it,
senior administration spokesmen

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have engaged in a vilification
of the Chechens.

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And, uh, all this while they're fighting
the war against terror in Afghanistan?

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It seems like contradictory
behavior, and strange behavior.

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I guess the letter is top secret,
so, it's not available for viewing?

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<i>Today we welcome</i>

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<i>Hungary, Poland,
the Czech Republic,</i>

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<i>finally erasing
the boundary line the Cold War</i>

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artificially imposed
on the continent of Europe,

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<i>strengthening an alliance
that now clearly</i>

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<i>is better preserved
to keep the peace</i>

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and preserve our security
into the 21st century.

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Our goal is to help
to build a Europe

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that is undivided, free,

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democratic, at peace,
and secure.

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Today we proudly welcome

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Bulgaria...

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Estonia...

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Latvia...

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<i>Lithuania...</i>

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<i>Romania...</i>

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<i>Slovakia...</i>

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and Slovenia.

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<i>We welcome them into the ranks</i>

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<i>of the North Atlantic
Treaty Organization.</i>

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This is a special moment

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in the hopeful story
of human liberty,

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as America formally declares
its support for Albania

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<i>and Croatia's entry into NATO.</i>

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<i>What I've heard
from Mr. Gorbachev</i>

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as well as American officials,
including James Baker,

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there was a, a deal
with the Soviet Union

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not to expand NATO eastward.

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<i>So this was a clear violation.</i>

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And right now the Warsaw Treaty
has faded into oblivion.

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There is no Soviet Union.

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Under the rules of NATO,
I believe you'd have to share

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all your nuclear information
with the United States.

333
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:16,100
Yeah. Right.

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Right.

335
00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:52,340
The old Soviets were always very
realistic about American policy.

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They always tried to understand
the intentions of the Americans.

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I don't know if those think tanks still
exist here. I would imagine they do,

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that Mr. Putin gets very
accurate assessments about

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what United States'
intentions are.

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<i>Has this ever stopped?</i>

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Has this attitude
of the US ever stopped,

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that they had
an enemy in Russia?

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00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:00,910
<i>Whether it was Communism
or whether it was Putinism</i>

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<i>or whether it was any form, it was
just the concept of an enemy.</i>

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It raises the question of,

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you know, the broader question,
of what is the US policy?

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What is its strategy
in the world?

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In the whole world?

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Well, uh, I can state it for
you, and you can argue with me.

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That's one thing,
I could say I think

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or many learned people think
that US strategy

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right now is to destroy
the Russian economy,

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bring it back to 1990s' levels.

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And change the leadership
of Russia.

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Make a new ally out of Russia
for the United States,

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and basically, dominate
Russia, as they once did.

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And perhaps did not... they feel
they did not go far enough

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and take your nuclear arsenal
away from Russia.

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00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:55,550
I understand that Russia
will not give up.

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They will go to the end on this economy.
Under Stalin,

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they gave their jewelry.

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00:52:00,470 --> 00:52:02,930
They gave their personal possessions
down to their last dollar

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to support the government
against the Nazis.

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We have the US elections
in this year,

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<i>and none of these issues,</i>

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00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,730
<i>uh, the environment,
fixing our alliances</i>

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00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:38,610
<i>has even been discussed
one time.</i>

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Everything in
the election rhetoric has been

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get tough, be tougher,
build up our military again,

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and in addition to that...

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And that goes for both sides,
that includes Hillary Clinton,

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who's most definitely become
a neoconservative, a hawk,

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strong policies against Russia.

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She was certainly for the Syrian
intervention, and so forth.

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00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:05,510
And we have to send
a very clear message to Putin

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that this kind of belligerence,

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00:54:07,890 --> 00:54:10,180
this kind of testing
of boundaries

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will have to be responded to.

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00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:16,100
In addition to that, the
Pentagon has announced recently,

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this new general has announced that Russia is
the number one threat to the United States.

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00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:24,400
He's been very forceful
in those statements.

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00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,280
If you want to talk about
a nation that could pose

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an existential threat
to the United States,

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00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,660
I'd have to point to Russia.

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00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:33,750
If you look at their behavior,
it's nothing short of alarming.

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00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:14,820
Do you ever see him?

387
00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:16,910
Yeah.

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00:57:32,590 --> 00:57:34,590
He has an opinion of his own
and some things...